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Dear Mariella: My four year old son wants to be baptised.

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USA4Him

If my 4 year old asked me that, I definitely would let him be Baptized. That is a blessing for such a young child to want to do. I myself am non-denominational Christian, but I have a very large family and some Catholics, Christians, Pentecostal, Evangelical, atheist and so on..

I would take him to their Church or join a Church and allow him to attend services and go on from there.

I would not write to anyone for advice like this, I would pray and/or go to a local church if I were the mother.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:58 AM EST
Buckeye Voter

If the kid wants to be baptized, I see no harm. It's not like he's asking for a tattoo.

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:44 AM EST
edwbaker

But what is this is just a phase, and when he's 6 he longer wants in?

    #1.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:56 AM EST
    Buckeye Voter

    But what is this is just a phase, and when he's 6 he longer wants in?

    So? Unless he's joining a dangerous cult and putting his life at risk, I don't see the issue.

    • 3 votes
    #1.3 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:33 AM EST
    edwbaker

    Who says Christianity isn't a dangerous cult? Parts of the church certainly can be.

    They are too yound to understand what it means, and are thus unable to make a free choice.

    I would certainly resent my parents if I had been baptised, or allowed me to do it because I said I wanted to when I was too young to make the choice with full knowledge of its implications.

    • 1 vote
    #1.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:16 AM EST
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    WILDWONDERFUL

    am discussing elements of Catholicism, which I see as the rules of good living (although I don't believe in the Creation, the church's teachings on marriage, or the entire notion of sin and confession).

    First of all I would suggest the Mom read the book on baptism herself. Baptism has no saving merit but is just an outward and symbolic sign for our faith and love in Jesus Christ as our personal savior.

    Now whether this four year old understand that Jesus died for our sins so that we may have eternal life is unclear. I would still let him be Baptized.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:12 AM EST
    USA4Him

    WILDWONDERFUL,

    Great comment! I also agree!

    • 1 vote
    #2.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:45 AM EST
    edwbaker

    If he doesn't understand then it is wrong.

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:57 AM EST
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    LTKiwi

    Does a four year old really understand what they are doing and what they are committing to at that point?

    Or are they just following mommy and daddy?

    • 4 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:32 AM EST
    Buckeye Voter

    Does that really matter? Most people follow their parents, or their society, into religion.

    The child wants to learn more about a religion and to be a part of it. As long as it doesn't hurt him I see no valid objection.

    • 3 votes
    #3.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:47 AM EST
    LTKiwi

    Well, some view baptism as a binding contract with their god.

    I just think it's a choice that shouldn't be taken too lightly.

    To do so might cheapen it for the people that hold it in a higher regard with deeper meaning.

    • 4 votes
    #3.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:53 AM EST
    kaviaq

    Our four-year-old, however, came home from his non-religious school and has asked to be baptised. I bought him a storybook about baptism and since then he's asked me to say prayers with him, take him to visit a church and to "meet the man that does the baptisms".

    Sounds like someone has been trying to convert this kid. If the parents haven't been influencing him one way or the other then SOMEONE is putting ideas in his head. The mother should look into who is trying to brainwash her child. Otherwise it doesn't really matter whether the child is baptized or not. He can't possibly understand what it means, but it can't really hurt him either. It is up to the parents whether to wait until he is older.

    • 4 votes
    #3.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:51 AM EST
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    Kathleen McKenzie

    Since Momma doesn't believe in the creation and various other significant Catholic beliefs, I would tend to steer away from baptism at this point. I believe children are born with an innate spirituality -- as a matter of fact, the subject of much research by Dr. Andrew Newberg, a neuroscientist who has published "Why God Won't Go Away."

    So I think I would have discussions with my four-year-old about why he wants to be baptized and what he thinks it will do for him. Explain to him that God loves him just as he is right now and being baptized won't make God love him any more, nor will it make a child any better or less prone to mischief. See if he will agree to wait awhile on the baptism as long as you keep going to church together. I don't think it's a good idea to turn this into a fight with the boy's father. Try to stay away from "Daddy's an idiot" and simply say that you see things differently.

      Reply#4 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:50 AM EST
      WILDWONDERFUL

      I think Mom needs to have a personal relationship with the Lord

      • 1 vote
      #4.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:04 AM EST
      USA4Him

      WILDWONDERFUL,

      Amen!

      • 1 vote
      #4.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:57 AM EST
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      alkimija

      His dad has forbidden him to be baptised, saying he's not old enough to make this decision himself. As I think the boys' father is a tool, I've chosen to ignore this

      *snip*

      This isn't about respecting a child's budding spirituality. It's about spitting in the face of her ex-husband. If there ever was a reason not to get baptised, spite would probably be somewhere near the top of that list.

      Poor kid. No wonder he seeks comfort in religion with such a bitter person like that as his Mom.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:31 AM EST
      Kathleen McKenzie

      I think Mom needs to have a personal relationship with the Lord

      We all have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit -- or whatever your particular culture chooses to call it -- from the day we're born, whether we acknowledge it or not, whether we believe it or not. We can ignore it, deny it, squash it, but we can't get rid of it entirely.

        Reply#6 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:33 PM EST
        kaviaq

        We all have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit -- or whatever your particular culture chooses to call it -- from the day we're born, whether we acknowledge it or not

        No we don't. This kind of statement could be made for any sort of nonsense. I assure you I have NO spirituality whatsoever. You can believe whatever you want, but it is ridiculous to tell others that they are denying something for which you can't give any evidence. There isn't any evidence for ANYTHING supernatural and yet you have decided that a supernatural force is innate in all people?? That is a bit presumptuous of you.

        • 3 votes
        #6.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:22 PM EST
        edwbaker

        I don't. Please don't tarnish me with your brush.

        • 1 vote
        #6.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:58 AM EST
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        Kathleen McKenzie

        Kaviaq: Supernatural force is your phrase, not mine. I would not term this transcendence as being supernatural. And no, I didn't "decide" this; I learned it. And what proof or evidence can you give me that you have "NO spirituality whatsoever"?

        Dr. Andrew Newberg has been studying brain function via brain imaging and has written several books on brain function and spirituality. It doesn't "prove" anything, but it does give one much to think about.

          Reply#7 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:30 PM EST
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